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Webinar Jack Jennings’ Book, Fatigued by School Reform (June 2020)

"Conversations With and About Mike"


Loretta Goodwin, Deputy Director at the American Youth Policy Forum, interviewed Mr. Jennings in a webinar on June 4, 2020, about his new book, Fatigued by School Reform, published by Rowman and Littlefield (2020). Mr. Jennings’s book is available here:

Below are the links for the audio for that session, and a PDF version of the PowerPoint presentation used in the webinar.

Audio (MP4 format, 111MB):

PDF (5MB):

Editor’s Note: The Appendix for “Conversations With and About Mike” contains transcripts for the recorded audio and video clips. To view the Audio Transcripts go to this page >


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About the Project

The purpose of this biography project is to make a fascinating man’s life and accomplishments come alive. Dr. Michael W. Kirst, while recognized in influential academic and policy circles, is generally unknown to those most actively engaged in American education in the trenches of the nation’s classrooms and local boardrooms, including teachers, principals, and school district leaders.

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About the Author

Dick Jung first met Dr. Michael W. Kirst four decades ago. Mike, then Professor in the Schools of Education and Business, was completing his first year as President of California’s State Board of Education. During Jerry Brown’s first term as Governor, as Mike tacked between Palo Alto and Sacramento, Dick served as the Teaching Assistant for Mike’s Stanford “Politics of Education” course.

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